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Notes for John Turbeville
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998
From: Dan Troublefield
I'm 46 and my Troublefield line goes back to John Turbyfill, the planter, alias Troublefield, who died in 1783 in Brunswick Co., VA. John was a son of Francis Turberville (alias Troublefield), also of Brunswick Co., Virginia.
Francis, John, William, Walter, Mary, and Elizabeth, were all children of Richard Turberville, alias Turberfeild, alias Turbavell of Charles City Co. (& other counties), VA, and lastly of Bertie Co., Albemarle Precinct (now Northampton Co.), North Carolina.
Richard and his wife Anne were in Charles City Co., VA, before 1691. Later they moved a little south into NC. Richard died in Bertie in Spring 1726 and left a will naming his children and a couple of his grandchildren.
Sons, William and John (and probably their mother Anne) moved to Old Craven Co., South Carolina.
Francis had a land grant in SC, but sold it without going there and was last recorded living in VA.
Walter stayed in NC and married and had several children before he died in 1764 in Halifax Co., NC, where there is a creek called Troublefield Run (sometimes it was called Turberville Run). Two of Walter's sons James and Isaac both eventually settled in SC. James's family moved to Davidson Co., TN, after James' death in Old Sumter District, SC.
The part of SC where John and William settled with their families later became Old Marion District, SC. Most of the Turbevilles of Old Marion were descended from John. But I think that some of them may have descended from William as well.
There are deed records that indicate that a famous local Episcopal preacher there, Rev. William Turbeville, a poor man, but very well-known for the power of his prayers, was a son of William and his wife Margaret. There was a younger John Turbeville, who married Philadelphia Isbell. I think that this John and his wife were probably the parents of your ancestor William, the tailor. William, called "Jim", Turbeville, travelled up and down the Black River from Williamsburg Co. to Sumter and Darlington Cos., SC, plying his tailoring trade. He appears on two censuses in Darlington area and on two records in
Williamsburg Co. where he died about 1844.
William, the tailor, married twice. The first wife was named Mary and was allegedly an Avant. There is a deed record in Williamsburg Co. that shows William Troublefield deeding an old horse to his wife Mary in 1809. So your William, if son of John and Philadelphia, was actually William, III (the third of the name in that line). Old William, husband of Margaret, was William, Sr., and Rev. William was William, Jr. It's said that Rev. William had no children and that he came with settlers from England.
It appears to me that later generations "forgot" that there were two Williams, a Sr. & a Jr., and "telescoped" them into one person. Thus, you get some local histories, like W.W. Sellers' History of Marion, that talk about Rev. William living to an advanced age, over 100 years old. But really it appears that the stories just confuse two men. Old William whose father Richard came from England and younger Rev. William who was born in Virginia. There are sufficient VA and NC and SC land records surviving to trace the passage of these early Turbevilles from lower Virginia into NC and then further into NC and finally into Old Craven Co., SC. People travelled in groups of families and neighbors in those days. None of the ones coming into SC with the Turbevilles came over to SC directly from England.
A descendant of John & Philadelphia Turbeville's daughter Lavina Turbeville Samford wrote that John was, like Rev. William, an Episcopal minister. That has not been confirmed. It may be, that the descendant knew there was an Episcopal minister of note in the family and simply assumed that it was John, the only ancestor whose name he knew. Lavina is the only confirmed child of John and Philadelphia. Lavina's baptism appears in an early church record for Prince Frederick Winyaw Church. Some other collateral relatives' baptisms and marriages are also recorded, but in some cases it has not been possible to identify their relationships to each other.
John, son of Richard and Anne, left a will in Charleston (where all early SC wills were originally recorded regardless of county of residence). Land records indicate that John lived on the Big Pee Dee River in Craven County. John's will names his wife Elizabeth and son Charles and grandsons Solomon and George, sons of Charles. He also mentions some daughters and some of their children. But he doesn't mention every family member.
William and Margaret passed from this world without a final record by will or gravestone in the mid-1740's. Their property or that of Rev. William passed out of the family by sale or foreclosure. Without a will or other probate record surviving it is impossible to directly prove the names of any of William's children except a daughter Obedience who was baptized at Prince Frederick Church. So we must do the best we can with indirect evidence.
My father, age 83, is named Linwood Cole Troublefield.
Take care,
Dan
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998
From: Dan Troublefield
To: Wayne Lee Thomas
Sorry about flooding you with the tidal wave of Turbervilles with who we're connected. Actually your Turberville (Turbeville) "corpuscles" are mixed with a little native Welsh.
The Turbervilles were a Norman-French family. Some time between 1066 (conquest of England by Duke William of Normandy) and 1115-1121, the Turbervilles arrived in England from a small hamlet or village called Trubleville in Normandy. Normandy was a semi-independent duchy subject in theory only to the tiny medieval kingdom of France and ruled by descendants of Viking raiders who were asked by a ninth century Frankish king to settle there and stop further depradations by their fellow Northmen (from Norway, Sweden, & Denmark). The earliest Norman documents that include the Turberville name (in its
Latin translation) are charters (actually only later copies of the originals now lost) of local grants to the great Norman-French abbeys and monasteries of Jumieges and Saint-Georges-de-Boscherville where there were Turberville (alias Trubleville) monks who signed as witnesses to the grants.
The Turberville/Trubleville knights of a century later probably benefited from the strong church connections of their monastic ancestors as well as from military service with more powerful Anglo-Norman lords in England. Sir Robert de Turberville accompanied Sir Bernard de Neufmarche' (Newmarch) in his conquest of the Welsh lordship of Brycheiniog (Brecknock). Robert gained the castle of Crug Hywel (Crickhowell) in Brecknock. One of Robert's relatives, Sir Payne (Paganus) de Turberville is listed as one of the legendary soldiers in the Anglo-Norman army under Robert FitzHamon, earl of Gloucester, in the Norman invasion of the Welsh lordship of Glamorgan. For his part, Sir Payne gained the castle of Coyty or Coity in Glamorgan.
The connection between all these early Turbervilles/Trublevilles is sketchy at best. But early records suggest that the Turbervilles in Dorsetshire, England (ancestors of the fictional "D'Urbervilles" alias "Durbeyfields" of novelist Thomas Hardy's _Tess of the D'Urbervilles_) were a younger branch of the Turbervilles at Crickhowell and/or Coyty. Under the medieval feudal system of holding land from an overlord, at least some of the early Turbervilles in Dorset "held" their land from the Turberville lords of Coyty.
I'm the 6th of my parents' eight children. Three girls and five boys. Ages range from 57 to 40. I'm neither a parent or a spouse, but I have 15 nieces and nephews and half a dozen grandnephews and grandnieces. I was named for one of my paternal grandmother's brothers Daniel McCall.
I've been to two Turbeville reunions. The one where I met Paul in 1972 and another where I gave a nervous speech on the family history in the 1980's. I was invited at the last minute to the one last year, but it fell on my Saturday to work and I couldn't go. My understanding is that it is scheduled for the Saturday closest to July 4 each year. It's too early to say whether I will try to attend this year. My own families have several reunions in the summer time and it gets rather exhausting going to so many as it is.
Till later,
Dan
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